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Unyko
Genepi (Demonic-Apricot)

Cave Flitters

With lace: http://art.unykness.com/images/examples ... ed-02a.jpg

About the Breed:
Cave Flitters are a timid breed, though very social amongst themselves. Long ago, they made their homes in the depths of cave systems and rarely (if ever) saw the light of day. With few predators, and little light, they had no need for defensive structures such as horns or plating, or pigmentation. They did, however, need something with which to lure their prey and identify each other from a distance. Thus, they evolved bright, bioluminescent patches to serve both purposes.
As they fly through their subterranean homes, they use all of their senses to avoid obstacles, including a sort of primitive echolocation. Little is known of their origins, but they have been found to be inquisitive, if easily spooked at first. Though once they bond with their colony (or a handler), they are very affectionate. All in all, these little ones make wonderful companions for the night-active handler. Though.. not -too- active. Feel like staying in on Saturday night, reading a good book until 4am? Your Flitter will be right there with you. It helps that they act like a little bug-zapper, too, on warm summer nights.

Breed Standard:
White (color: rryybb - alternately just a white base, with their accents being colored in the same manner as Qui-lin and Jiao-di - will see how that goes)
FL Ears (FLE)
Wings (W)
Plume (P1)
Glow spot on forehead (not listed genetically, or potentially G)
Jiao-di nose shape (not listed genetically)

Acceptable traits:
Dilute (D)
Glow (G)
Lace (La)
Benign White (Bw)
Colored Eyes (€)
Blind (Bl)
Fangs (not listed genetically)
Glowing Nose-dots (not listed genetically - alpha specimen :3)

Unacceptable traits:
Horns (H: XX or xX)
Plating (P: XX or xX)
Chin-beard (not listed genetically)
Growler nose shape (not listed genetically)

Breeds used:
Moss Hoarder (glow spot on forehead)
Growler (ears)
Jiao-Di (nose shape, plume, color-on-accents-with-white-base?)
Crinkler (wings, fangs, colored eyes)

Planning:
With the addition of trait and color charms to the project, things have become an awful lot simpler. Hopefully. ^.^;; I'll be trying to use wyrms with colored eyes (€) to establish that trait in the breed, but If it doesn't work I won't be too upset. :)

Generation Planning:
Going to be working with Jiao x Crinkler (wings and plume req) and Growler x Mossy (ears and glowspot req) babies to start. We'll need four of each of those, regardless of color (though whites are preferred in the growler/mossy lines, and white-with-colored-accents in jiao/crinkler lines), and then we can start breeding them in pairs to get all the desired traits on one 'perfect' wyrm. Once we have four of those 'perfect' wyrms, we can breed down further to get to the third generation. :D Here's hoping the glowspot passes down from mossy parents, and it doesn't take too many breedings to get the listed -and- unlisted traits to work out! *cross fingers~*

Family Planning!
http://www.familyecho.com/?p=START&c=x6 ... 0987432505
Pared down to 15 breedings (less than half of what I had in the original plan)! Woo! I may be able to do this in my lifetime! XD I'll plug parents into the plan as they produce offspring that are viable for the project.

Planned Breedings:
Nob'cobi x Tanma (summer 2013) (negating - no ears, has horn... but she does have a white body and colored accents! It can be done! :D)
Harley x Chinook's Blackcurrant Solitaire (spring 2014) (traits: wings XX, plume XX)
SQUIRREL x Marimo (winter 2014) (traits: ears XX, plating --)

Possible Breedings:
Icarus x ??? (traits: wings XX, plume XX)
??? x Flit (traits: wings XX, plume XX)
Haint x ??? (traits: wings XX, plume XX)
Ajax x Chlorosia (traits: ears XX, plating --)
Dronble x Mauna (traits: ears XX, plating --)
Rhia x Fischel? (traits: ears XX, plating --)

Population Expanders: (not done during farm seasons, but at random during normal seasons <3)
Spite x Mael (tokens: color rryybb) - (winter 2014; planning to name the baby 'Haint' <3)


Approved Wyrms:
(I have spoken with their handlers and received the green light to borrow at some point <3)
Icarus (m, jiao) -- Briar
Mauna (f, growler) -- Poprock
Flit (m, crinkler) -- Tyr
Chinook's Blackcurrant Solitaire (f, jiao) -- Tora
Loralye (f, crinkler) -- Shy - needs +1 charm (TRADED TO KAI)
Kataba (m, growler) -- Vampy
Ajax (m, growler) -- Hekomi
Rhia (f, growler) -- Hekomi
Tarryn (f, growler) -- Vampy
Vardon (m, growler; nob'cobi's son) -- Vampy
Dronble (m, moss hoarder) -- Vampy
Chlorosia (f, moss hoarder) -- Genpei
Navaroni (m, jiao) -- Genpei
Montegaz (m, growler) -- Genpei

Handler Offers:
(handlers who have offered their wyrms to the project <3)
Shadra (Growlers)
Hekomi (Growlers, maybe Jiao? Maybe crinkler?? *hopeful*)
Poppeh (Growler?)
Smoke-the-Wolf (Growler)
Briar (Jiao, others on the way~)

Updates/Thoughts:
Pared down some things... just gonna go with the head-plume instead of the tail plume. Both to help keep the number of babies I'll be planning down, and also because Jiao-di wyrms are less rare. And have no plating (which is a thing I'm trying to get rid of anyway XD). ^.^;;; I wonder if, when this becomes an established breed, plume placement can be gender-determinate.. Probably not, but it'd be cool! XD

Also, I talked to HMS about the glow in lace genetics... there is potential! 8D SO EXCITE.

It'd be nice to get the basic white base of the Qui-lin and Jiao-di with their color genetics controlling only the accents. I wonder if I can get it! :D
-EDIT: After some digging, it looks as though any hybrid of Qui/Jiao would more than likely have a colored base. Darn. Maybe if I tried crossing Jiao back into the breed after establishing all the other traits... *ponder* We'll see how my Tanma x Nob'cobi baby turns out. *cross fingers for white base!*

Clearly there is a whole lot of breeding in there. x.x I think I need help. XD Anyone interested in broadening the Crinkler population? 8D
for my own records:
Tora is in for a crinkler clutchmate as of 03/21/14 <3!

WOW that design is gorgeous!
I have a genetics question for you though! What are you planning to do for the underbite? Because it's XX in most, if not all, anglers. You'll want to do some research into your specific chosen genes regarding filtering out what you don't want.

Also when approved, you can hit me up for breedings if you need to. I've got Snaggle and Phobia who are both growlers and Elvis, my angler eel.

I have three growlers and two flickerlings coming; just hit me up with a note, I love anything fairy-like so I'd definitely be interested in the final product. :>

Quick note:
- it's Floppy Ears (FL Ears) on the Growlers.

I'm not sure there is any way to actually do the glow styling that you're looking for. Anglers only have their lure glow, and lure is a trait on it's own. I wouldn't recommend adding them to your project as I think that would pull you away from the style you're looking for. Lace doesn't glow on the Wyrm side of the game, either. I imagine that these would have to be brand new traits added to the game. You can't breed for traits that don't exist.

However, you may want to talk to HMS about getting a 'base' design, breeding that for the requisite number of generations and seeing if she might let you 'unlock' the extra glowy-trait once that's done. This is up to her, though.

Shadra: I'm pretty sure if I start with the anglers, I can just breed out the underbite down the line. :3 XX is hard to get away from, but sooner or later, it'll either go away alltogether, or just become xx. I'm looking at Kiba right now; she's got xX at one generation away from her angler parent. And with this many other traits to work on, I think I'll have plenty of generations to work it out. XD

Hekomi: Thankyou! I'll definitely keep you in mind when I'm ready to start working on the breed. <3

Arazia: Ah, thanks! I'd forgotten that. XD I'll poke at the idea a bit when I get home from work to try and work out the kinks. Regarding the angler glow, I'm looking at Kiba, and it appears that her angler glow just transferred to her head and turned into glow markings. *headtilt* Should I assume that that won't really ever happen again, or possibly just use her as a base for that particular trait? And about the lace.. I wasn't sure, and it's really just an option that would have been cool, but totally not required. ^.^;; I'll talk to D later and see what she thinks.

Thank you all for the comments! <33!!!

*scoot to work*

The Moss Hoarders have that style of glow dot...not sure if that'd help though, since you'd have to add yet another breed into your list...though if you've only got the Anglers in there for the glow, maybe just swap them out?

Do they? O: I don't have one, so I wasn't aware that the dot glowed! Thank you! If that's the case, then I can totally swap them with the anglers, and then I won't even have to worry about the underbite thing. XD

Unyko wrote:Do they? O: I don't have one, so I wasn't aware that the dot glowed! Thank you! If that's the case, then I can totally swap them with the anglers, and then I won't even have to worry about the underbite thing. XD

Beards though. ^^; Though they might look kinda cute with beards!

Hekomi wrote:

Unyko wrote:Do they? O: I don't have one, so I wasn't aware that the dot glowed! Thank you! If that's the case, then I can totally swap them with the anglers, and then I won't even have to worry about the underbite thing. XD

Beards though. ^^; Though they might look kinda cute with beards!

...I am wanting these more and more now.

XD Obviously a bit of refinement is in order (I'm not really a fan of the beards, but I'm sure there will be plenty of babies with them on the road to breed-hood XD) before it's ready to go. But I'm glad people other than myself are interested in them!

I really wish there was a discernible trait to make their eyes colored, other than the hetero gene that swirl snouts have. :/ Though I guess black eyes would work just as well in the dark as pale eyes. *shrug!*

Also, I wonder if I can get it so that the color specifier is for their accents (wings, eyes, plume) like the qui lin and jiao di have. o.O Maybe switching out imperials with qui would work. I'd loose the little fangs, but that might not be so bad... I do like the little qui lin faces better for this project, anyway. Hmmmmmmmmmm~