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My questions here are in response to this particular post: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=718 (Also posted there, but no one responded and since the summer breeding season is drawing nigh, I figured I'd ask in a more appropriate place. ^.^;;;)

It mentions that you can color token a baby to have a colored body when the parents normally wouldn't, and that if you cross, say, a qui-lin with a mushroom gatherer, it will automatically inherit a colored body and "doesn't need to be tokened." But what if I don't want a colored body?

Is there any way to color/trait charm a breeding between a wyrm with a 'default' body color (qui/angler/growler/etc... where the color genetics control accents) and a wyrm with a genetically colored body (color genetics control body color) to get a baby that has the 'default' body (white/black/gray) with colored accents? Or is that completely impossible/randomly rolled?

Also, if breeding two wyrms with different 'default' body colors (say qui x angler) is there a way to trait/color charm them to choose which of the two possible body colors they end up with (white vs. black)? Is it always random?

One more that is probably already answered in that top post, but not specifically since only mutations are mentioned and I'm pretty sure a Type's defining characteristics aren't considered mutations... what about traits that are not genetically listed, but also not mutations? Like the Moss Hoarder's glowspot and beard? Can those be trait charmed to keep/get rid of? Could a glow charm be used to carry the glowspot over and list it genetically in the offspring? Or are traits like those always randomly rolled in hybrid offspring?

I'm sorry if these have already been answered (in the post above or elsewhere.. I suck at finding things sometimes x.x). *sheepish* I just kinda need to know for my breeding project. So I know whether or not I have to plan on breeding only genetically white (rryybb) babies, and how hard it'll be to get that glowspot to carry into future generations. XD

Very tired, but will try to explain quickly.
We've changed some things since then.
Will try to update that post.

Normally in a breed that has a default color (qui-lin, growler, angler):
- body color x body color = body color
- body color x breed default = breed default color
- body color x breed default + trait token = body color
- breed default x another breed that has a breed default color = 50/50 chance of inheriting each parent's color
- breed default x another breed that has colored body by default = breed default color is lost, body color dominant

Color charms can be used like with anything else, to determine the genetics of the wyrm within what is possible from the parents' genetics. Body color /usually/ matches this, but not always. In breeds like Tatterwings who are genetically black (RRYYBB) this allows you to choose the shade of color that they appear, despite genetics.

I'm not sure about coloring/traiting to determine which default color you get, or to try to override the cross between a breed-default color and regular. I'll talk to D and see what she thinks.

As for Hybrid-ized appearance things...
Trait charms can usually be used to effect the traits listed /on the card/. This means that things like the individual breed traits cannot be. Part of the challenge of a breeding project is to cross breeds, see what fits closest to what you want, then breed out the things you don't want. IF we let people do too much traiting on little things, it would make that aspect of the game a bit too easy. Part of cross-breeding is seeing how genes effect each other and how things turn out.

Okay.
Word in from the 'Great And Powerful Wyrm Goddess' (aka. HopefulMonster):

default color x default color + color token = you get to choose /which/ default color you get
default color x regular color + trait token = you can choose to get the default color rather than regular color

Keep in mind that none of this applies to special fur features such as...
- Angora mutation
- Growler tail-fluff
- Zilla neck-ruff
- Flamepoint
- etc. etc.

She also wants me to remind people that while color tokens do determine the GENETIC color of a Wyrm, that it does not always determine the /FUR COLOR/ of a Wyrm.

For example:
http://cruinndracfarms.com/wyrmwiki/index.php/Freeze

Yay! Thank you for the prompt answers~ I really wasn't expecting anything so quick, since I know how busy everyone is. ^.^;;; I kinda figure, with the Type traits, but figured I'd ask to make sure. :) Looks like I get to focus on moss hoarder hybrids for a while! :D

I have a charm question too that D will probably need to answer.

Can I breed with a fairy abd trait AGAINST wings? I love my royal princess but I honestly prefer to wear her without the wings. I'm scared I will break them.

ShyCrestedGirl wrote:I have a charm question too that D will probably need to answer.

Can I breed with a fairy abd trait AGAINST wings? I love my royal princess but I honestly prefer to wear her without the wings. I'm scared I will break them.

You certainly /could/ trait against a breed-trait like Wings.

However, I'm not sure what the issue is if you already wear her without her wings attached.
Royals are made to have detachable wings for this very reason (to protect them during wear/travel/etc.).

I'm a bit confused.

Shy, I'm assuming this is referencing breeding your princess with another fairy and Traiting for no wings?

Arazia wrote:
You certainly /could/ trait against a breed-trait like Wings.

However, I'm not sure what the issue is if you already wear her without her wings attached.
Royals are made to have detachable wings for this very reason (to protect them during wear/travel/etc.).

I'm a bit confused.

Haha, idk... I'm just weird

HopefulMonster wrote:Shy, I'm assuming this is referencing breeding your princess with another fairy and Traiting for no wings?

No this is breeding a Qui with one of the seasons and traiting for no wings, I was just wondering if it was possible,

Yeah of course. A teacup wouldn't end up with huge wings anyway, but you can trait for no wings. You'd only have a 50/50 chance of getting wings on a crossbreed where only one parent has wings anyway.

HopefulMonster wrote:Yeah of course. A teacup wouldn't end up with huge wings anyway, but you can trait for no wings. You'd only have a 50/50 chance of getting wings on a crossbreed where only one parent has wings anyway.

Thank you!