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Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:39:07 pm
by Koiley
Maybe if it were a faint strip of pink clay as a scar? Or like..some kind of discoloration? I'm not sure. o_o

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:40:28 pm
by Gardentoaster
Having moss on the Moss wyrm horns/beard would be an adorable idea!! I use the fake terrain for decorating and its actually pretty decent looking http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 4166_n.jpg

I think small details like that would be swell!

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:11:00 pm
by Tora
In regards to the discussion about Standard Leaf Crawlers not having horns....

I have noticed that the Tea Cup Leaf Crawlers have "freckles" on their heads that are freaking adorable. Is there a good way to translate those to a Standard Wyrm?

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:23:35 pm
by HopefulMonster
Mrrrr? :confused:
Example?

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:39:11 pm
by LightningBreeze
I for one second the shorter muzzles and clay tears on Jao-Di's, love how they look more "real" than the painted ones. A different style of horn for Plume Gem Hunters is a brilliant idea, being the rare of their breed they need a distinction, perhaps more of a inward swept back curve?? Also open eyes for the Gao-Xing get my vote, I love the breed just not a huge fan of the closed eyes, I know it's a trademark they have but open eyes would be awesome. To differentiate between normal pale coloured eyes and blind eyes perhaps set aside a specific eye colour just for blind wyrms. Maybe a very pale near white, milky blue, plus it's a trait on their data cards so I reckon most people will be able to tell the difference between "Blind" and wyrms who have "Dilute".

And as for my two cents, I'm a little thrown off by the fact that the pipfox's and feline's have an (Xx) ear trait when their canid and feline traits are dominate (XX). Which if bred to a normal wyrmie faced wyrm will leave a 50/50 chance of ears but a 100% of having ether a fox or cat like face. I was lucky the dice rolled in favor of ears for Jack but it did bother me that he could end up as an ear-less pipfox which would be kinda weird. IDK, perhaps the Ear trait for both breeds should be (XX) instead of (Xx).

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:27:34 am
by Nanorat
HopefulMonster wrote:Mrrrr? :confused:
Example?


I think Tora means something like that:
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Though, those freckles are part of the character design and not wyrm breed, but it's still a good idea - maybe just a few smaller plates where horns were added on the standards? Small platings on the sides would still count towards Plating trait and wont be as confusing as non-trait horns.

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:30:11 am
by KaiNimura

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:23:37 am
by Hekomi
I'd like to see the leaf crawlers in particular be jazzed up a bit. While they're the most common and easy to make, I think sometimes they need a little extra OOMPH especially for older handlers who may already have one/two. The freckles sound really cute, but what about some neat traits which maybe only leaf crawlers get? Not like horns or stuff, but maybe something painted on, things like that. I love the PB on Belladonna, but I do wish Merlot had something a bit more than just her plating. Might be just me though, since I do prefer wyrms with horns, but it would be neat to see them have a bit more going for them.

I'd like to see more angry wyrms. 8'D In general, across all the different types.

I like the horns on the standard leaf crawlers, they make them look a bit less naked.

I can't think of anything else right now but if I do I shall post. C:

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:34:40 am
by Nanorat
But wont it be nice to have at least one plain, simple breed? Just one out of 20 something?.. If you want something a bit more OOMPH, just dont breed a pure leaf crawler, add some fancier breeds in. Want horns - mix in a horned breed, want fancy marking - throw in a Lace or Pitch Black parent. That's what the breeding aspect is for, isnt it? But if you want a plain and "naked" wyrm, more snake-like and more cuddleable (you cant freely cuddle things that have sharp horns on them xP) it's quite not possible if even the simpliest of breeds, leaf crawlers, get additional non-trait things to make them more detailed!

What I suggest is more balance in breeds. While fancy and detailed breeds are awesome (I do love horns myself, my favorite breed is a Mushroom Gatherer), it's not really fair if they take up all 100% of breeds variety; there are people who would like simple, plain things, Im sure Im not the only one, but it's not possible if all standards are very fancy and detailed - especially when those fancy details are non-trait and thus impossibile to breed out when unwanted!

There is a way to please everyone on the matter of designs - it's to make it possible to achieve any design a user might like. But for that, all traits should be marked as trait to be breedable\outbreedable, and none set by default "just for better appearance" to be present in every case (that's what upsets me most about LC's standard horns - no trait, how do I get rid of those if there is no trait to breed out? T_T I cant just request "follow the trait list exactly, no additional appearance enhancements", too.). What's better appearance for one, is worse for another, and etc. But if it's possible to change via breeding, like having a set trait to breed out, everyone can achieve the looks they want and be happy.

Re: Breed Re-boot Discussion

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:40:26 am
by Arazia
Honestly, every breed has certain things about them that are not really traited. We'd run out of room on datacards for some breeds if we wanted to trait out everything from, for instance, a swirl snout's swirl, and nose shape, and head shape, and ... etc. etc. We simplify things to what is important, which is why we get the certain particular traits which are considered to the the basis for that breed.

In regards to the leaf-crawler discussion, I don't actually see an issue with having simplified Leaf-crawlers, even at the standard level. I have no problem with taking special requests of 'no horns' or 'mini-horns' on the leaf-crawler standards. Of course, we can't take requests on /everything/, but we usually let our standard+ handlers choose their gender and eyecolor, so I don't see something like a preference for the mini-horns to be that big of a deal to just add on the request box.